Those of us old enough will remember the Soviet Union. A dystopian nightmare of a place where liberty simply did not exist. If you dared to dissent from the party line you were either shot or sent to the gulag. You were deemed to be mentally ill. This was a place where it was illegal to leave the country – in their satellite state of East Germany they even built a wall to stop people leaving. This was a place that had internal passports.
Modern Britain is now a country where it is illegal to leave and we are about to have foisted upon us internal passports.
Boris Johnson has scrapped plans to force drinkers and families out for a meal to show a coronavirus vaccine passport to get into pubs and restaurants in the face of huge political opposition.
The Prime Minister is expected to announce a wave of pilot events in April and May where proof of a jab will be required for entry, to avoid the need for social distancing.
As Leggy points out, the exemptions will be closed when there are complaints about a two tier system. The sheer evil is made all the worse because it is being implemented by a prime minister who for years wrote screeds on the necessity for personal liberty. I can only presume that he was lying.
I have refused the vaccine. I will not have a passport because I don’t qualify but would refuse to play the game anyway. Any business that seeks this kind of information from me will lose my business for life. No ifs, no buts, no negotiation. If you demand that I reveal my personal and private medical information to you in order to do business, you are evil and I will not comply. That means for ever. I will not forgive, nor will I forget. You will receive a lifelong ban from me.
Meanwhile Tory civil liberties campaigner and former minister David Davis today blasted the idea of passports.
He said he agreed with Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer that they were ‘un-British’, telling LBC radio: ‘We wouldn’t do this for flu, flu can kill up to 25,000 people a year.
‘Vaccines will reduce this illness to killing a lot less than that every year, then we will have to accommodate it, but not by giving up our basic freedoms.’
Quite. There is no place for this in the UK. None whatsoever. I will not comply. Nor will I ever vote for the Conservative party again. Ever.
Is the problem that the last thing that people like you and I want to do is to get involved in politics? Politics simply attracts the wrong types of people, this is more true today than it has ever been. I retired just over a year ago. I’ve finally got all of my time to myself, to sort my garden out, to play my piano, to make things out of wood. Now my conscience is on at me saying are you just going to sit and do nothing while these people continue to screw your country up? I’ve always felt that voting was important but it seems that voting isn’t enough.
That’s a significant factor. Politics attracts the kind of people who should be barred from entering it for life.
One of my favourite hobby horses is the idea that politics (especially at national level) should be for the over 50s only. The idea being to cut out those who actively want to get into politics from a young age, as they are (as you rightly point out) precisely the wrong people to be in positions of power. No-one aged 25 could realistically decide to wait 25 years to enter politics so would have to do other things first. Hopefully by the time people have reached their 50s they will have had families, had careers, and have been battered a bit by life, and learned a few things about people and how things work along the way. And be a bit more independent than 30/40 somethings with families and ‘careers’ to think about, which gives the party whips far too much leverage, offering little ‘rewards’ of minor government positions to those who are ‘Good boys/girls’. Plus would limit political careers to maybe 20 years max, so no more lifelong MPs who get a safe seat at an early age. Every few elections a constituency would get new faces to vote for.
Young people who leave school/college with the ‘ambition’ to become a politician clesrly have very limited vision. Some time ago, I spoke to one such (with their parents) and they were bemused when I told them I thought that people who stood for election were the worst types to elect (and her parents agreed!), but nothing would disuade her from studying(?) politics at university. I despair of such short-sighted attitudes which do little to improve the human condition but, like the over-emphasis on management studies, communications and consultancy, are parasitic on those who are working to improve the world. The current crop of self-serving thieves illustrate this perfectly
Oh how I agree with you!
I’ll never vote again. Don’t see the point, when the media is all left and woke and there’s no critical thinking, and the messages are controlled the right just doesn’t stand a chance.
If there is a suitable small party such as Reclaim standing, then I’ll cast a vote for them. Otherwise, I am withholding it.
You should at least go in and spoil the ballot, otherwise they will be able to say that you couldn’t be bothered.
In fairness, I would agree that I couldn’t be bothered.
Just waiting to die now and I’m only 49.
Well let me put it another way. Don’t let them think that you don’t care, let the bastards know that you fucking hate them.
You are not alone there Wtf. I am 69 and to be honest I simply have not given a damn for the the last 10 (or maybe more) years.
Grim isn’t it. I don’t see an end to this.
To much of a coward to check out and I’ve got kids. Just slowly trying to drink myself to death, because boredom isn’t working.
I keep hearing myself saying, “Thank God I’ll be dead” when I think of the future. I’m certain I won’t have to put up with it all for more than another seven years.
Get the jab groover. Obvs, rest a couple of days beforehand, no 50km bike rides or 4 hour gardening sessions, that sort of thing. After 12+ days I think, it will help protect you and will help people that are near to you for whom you will be unlikely to be a conduit for the virus.
Nope. Both the manufacturers and the government have confirmed that vaccines don’t stop you getting it or passing it on.
Don’t be dumb. SARS-CoV-2 doesn’t exist. This is not a vaccine it is a gene therapy designed to harm you. This is Agenda 2030. The Great Reset. You will own nothing and be happy. I’m not playing along.
I know at least seven people who have had it. So, yes, it does exist.
No you don’t LR. You know at least seven people who tested positive. Whether they showed flu-like symptoms or not, there’s a big difference.
No, I know seven people who have had symptoms – flu like but worse than ordinary seasonal flu. One was hospitalised – he’s still there as he contracted pneumonia, two had post viral syndrome that dragged on for about six months. There was an eighth – my sister who tested positive and didn’t have it, so that doesn’t count.
Here’s a thing; this pandemic things has already killed more than 100,000 Brits and I for one don’t want to be one of the next.
It’s really irresponsible of people like you to parade your virtue around at the still fairly significant risk to other people. Frankly I don’t care what happens to you but your lack of consideration for others is a bit galling.
Personally I agree you have the right to refuse the vaccination if you want, but please at least stick to the other preventative measures for other people’s sakes. Also if you are going to refuse the vaccine then if you do subsequently get symptoms the NHS should be allowed to refuse you admission – after all you were offered preventative treatment and you refused it, right?
Oh, FFS! Enough of the emotional incontinence.
We’ve had the equivalent of a couple of bad years of excess winter deaths – the 100,000 figure is a disingenuous merging of two winters and treating them as if they are one. The Government and PHE have been cooking the books on the figures, such that we have no idea how many people died of covid or from it. If you want to believe their propaganda then fine, your choice, but do not, ever, come on here and tell me what I may say or do.
How many times must it be said? The vaccines do not stop you getting the virus, nor do they stop you spreading it. The government and the manufacturers have confirmed this. Ergo, my not having the vaccine makes no difference whatsoever to other people, so I’ll not be taking any notice of your passive aggressive faux concern. If I want to visit my father and go into his house despite the rules saying otherwise, I will do so, just as I have been doing so. We are adults and perfectly aware of the risks and those risks are low. I have not and will not wear a stupid, useless mask and as for antisocial distancing, no. No one has contracted anything from me and no one has died and the likelihood of them doing so is low. I will not be a party to this game. My refusal to cooperate with this behaviour is not a lack of consideration for other people. That’s just bullshit on steroids.
There is no evidence that any of the government’s idiotic ill-conceived rules are effective preventative measures. There’s a significant body of scientific opinion that disagrees with the government approach. Perhaps they lack consideration for others?
I’m not even going to dignify your NHS comment with a response as it deserves none.
I suggest you go back to hiding under the duvet.
All of which has nothing to do with what I was discussing – the evil of internal passports. There are no situations where this is an acceptable policy.
Dear John
You can have your risk of dying with/from covid calculated using a handy website which you can find via Samizdata.net:
https://www.samizdata.net/2021/03/so-what-is-your-covid-1984-risk-calculation/
There are some graphs based on ONS mortality data on my Flickr page – click on the link in DP above.
Numbers 3 and 4 show comparisons between 2015, 2018, 2020 and 2021 to Week 11 for excess deaths compared with the average of the previous 5 years and all-cause mortality. 2021 is looking relatively normal comared with 2015 and 2018. Graph 3 will begin to look quite interesting when 2020 Weeks 14-22 data affect the excess mortality figures for 2021, which is aready 900 below average at Week 11.
DP
John, our host is too polite to say it, but you are just a c..t. The problem is that c..ts like you have cost millions of jobs and lives, and blighted our kids’s future.
If you believe that johnson and co started to tell the truth and be competent last March, then you’re en even bigger c..t than I think possible.
I wish you or whoever you’re related to suffer all the consequences you’re imposing on others.
You’re just an odious little kapo (and a c..t).
PS: what preventative treatment? You’re told to stay home if you have symptoms, so preventative treatments would come too late anyway (the preventative part is the clue). Your beloved NHS has killed 1000s already, and will kill 1000s more.
So, John…
Have you been vaccinated against rabies? I have.
By your logic that means you are a potential rabies risk and should be excluded from society.
Incidentally, these Covid vaccines are experimental and are known to be leaky. Like the vaccine developed for Marek’s disease in poultry. You might want to look up how that turned out.
But I don’t suppose you will.
@John – “Here’s a thing; this pandemic things has already killed more than 100,000 Brits”
Name 3, with hard proof that it was covid that killed them. And don’t expect me to prove the opposite, as you are the one who is spouting numbers and factoids here not me, so the onus of proof is on you. Go on, back up what you’re saying.
Your whole comment clearly spells out to others what kind of person you are – that is, a hypocrite, a coward and a virtue signaler. You would not have been out of place in 1930s Germany with your NHS comment, you forget that we all fund it through taxation and that entitles each and every one of us Brits to treatment on demand, whether we refused the vaccine or not. The NHS has neither moral or legal right to refuse anyone admission. Personally speaking, the NHS is the last place I would want treatment if I got sick, even if I have paid into it all my working life. I will, however, demand a refund of my National Insurance contributions backdated to 1972 if refused access to service.
“Frankly I don’t care what happens to you but your lack of consideration for others is a bit galling.”
Contradictory statement, if you had any consideration for others that would also include LR. Pure hypocrisy. Fuck off.
“Also if you are going to refuse the vaccine then if you do subsequently get symptoms the NHS should be allowed to refuse you admission – after all you were offered preventative treatment and you refused it, right?”
Are you also going to refuse treatment to all people who indulge in dangerous and illegal activities as well then? Get AIDS from dirty needles? No NHS for you! Take an overdose of drugs, no NHS ambulance coming to pick you up! Drink your liver into the size of a walnut, hard luck chum, its bye byes time for you! How about less contentious activities? Horse riding is very dangerous, its one of the leading causes of death and serious injury each year. Ergo no wheelchairs for disabled horse riders in John World. Drive at 1 mile over the speed limit and crash, die in the ditch says John.
See where this ‘Only the ‘deserving’ get NHS treatment’ leads? One day you could be in need and get decreed ‘undeserving’ and frankly, with your attitude it couldn’t happen to a nicer person………….
Quite right. I have paid a small fortune to the NHS, so regardless of my vaccinated state, I am entitled to the treatment I have paid for. Frankly, I was so pissed off at John’s stupid comments last night, I had to stop myself from commenting further and making just this point.
@John ‘The Gullible’
@LR eloquently replied and I echo his words to you
@Monoi @Legiron @Ripper etc blunt replies echoed too
All I will add is
1. Covid-19 is no worse than normal seasonal Influenza and WHO confirmed this in Oct/Nov 2020. Keep calm and carry on as normal, it’s better for your health than living in fear & panic
2. Look at consequences of rushed Vaccines for Prof Ferguson’s prior modelled “We’re all going to die” respiratory “pandemics”
Inform yourself
This may be the biggest rebuttal to @John from one of his own
The passport is just the start. Everything is linked via the Ai. If I mention this in polite discourse, I am ostracised.
Just my personal experience, take or leave.
If your name is on their electoral roll then it is taken that you are consenting to be governed. The colour of the government is of no consequence in this matter just the number of registered electors.
Spoilt papers are put in a pile of their own and counted then thrown away. The candidates never get to see them nor pay them any attention according to a lady who counted voting papers for years.
Until it is a close result and every vote counts, then electoral agents will pay attention, albeit for self-interest.
You miss the point. If your name is on the electoral roll you are consenting to be governed no matter what party personality is said to get the highest number of votes. Spoiling ballot papers does not affect the outcome because being a registered elector is what matters not acting as a voter.
And the latest wheeze is twice a week testing at home.
Not doing it. They can fuck off.
@LR – Forgive my skepticism, but you said you know at least 7 people who have HAD covid. That sounds pretty definite to me. All I am asking is, with the massaged figures and useless PCR test, which are both proven things, how do you know that those 7 people actually had covid?
I lost my bother in early March, due to all the covid bullshit his funeral isn’t until this Thursday. He had been ill for some time – COPD, kidney failure caused by the Metformin he took for type 2 diabetes (according to the hospital), and he had a pacemaker. He was rushed into hospital one night with breathing difficulties. Within 3 days he began to pick up but then took a downward turn. Suddenly the hospital were saying he had covid (he lived like a hermit and never went out of the house). So where, if he did have covid, do you suspect the most likely place would be to pick that up? They stuck him on a ventilator and he died 2 days later. Now, I haven’t seen the death certificate yet, but I suspect that covid will appear on it.
Symptoms are not always proof of the disease. Pneumonia for example, has over 30 different causes.
Meanwhile, I am still waiting for someone in this world – anyone, to isolate and identify covid. Until that is done, the virus cannot be proven to be anything other than bullshit.
Oh, I forgot to mention one pretty important point – my brother’s death came almost one week after having the covid jab. He had this more or less on being admitted to hospital.
Covid symptoms are pretty specific. They aren’t exactly the same as seasonal flu. Also, PVS seems to be more prevalent. It doesn’t matter what we call it or what type of virus it is, people have got sick. I’ve never doubted this as one of my colleagues and his wife went down with it last March shortly after a trip to Spain. They had the classic symptoms of dry cough and loss of smell. So, yes, people have got sick and people have died. All but one of those I know of, have gone to bed for a week or so and recovered. One is in hospital with pneumonia. We cannot deny this as it has happened. What I object to is the manner in which governments and media have hyped the risks and ignored the reality that for most people it’s an unpleasant seasonal virus that makes you ill for a week or two and you get better – like flu.
Your comment on your brother’s death resonates with me as my mother went into hospital for a minor procedure and caught pneumonia that killed her. Where do you think she got that?
I’m not trying to change your mind here LR, just trying to prove a point. The symptoms are irrelevant in the sense that, covid symptoms may not be exactly the same as seasonal flu, but very, very similar. So similar, in fact that they would match a particularly bad season of flu. The dry cough and loss of smell (and taste too) is something that I have experienced many times at the onset of a dose of flu, over my 64 years on this planet. Neither is PVS anything new, as any survivors of the 1918 Spanish flu could testify to, and any respiratory virus can cause that.
As for the death count, people always get sick and die in a bad flu season, and if you look at this past year’s deaths, there is hardly any difference between them and those yearly figures from the previous 5 years (ONS).
Also suspicious is the sudden disappearance of flu in proportion to the rise of covid. The CDC in the USA has documented that when they tried to isolate and sequence a new virus that a sample was ‘not available’, and so far, one year later no one has either isolated or sequenced a new virus. Put all this together and you will see why I believe differently to you on this.
I was, and still am, sorry to hear of your mother’s passing at the hands of the NHS. My brother’s case is a little different in the sense that there were so many underlying causes that personally I hadn’t expected him to pull through, despite hoping for a miracle. Yet they still insist on spouting the bullshit and that angers me. I am now anti-NHS and they themselves are to blame for that, and this is coming from someone who’s daughter is a ward sister at the same hospital. When all of this quackery blew up, the management ran and hid themselves away, leaving the front line staff to virtually run the place. Same for my GP, its now easier to get an audience with the Pope than to actually see a GP.
“Stay at home. Only call the emergency services if you cannot breathe and your lips turn blue”… yeah, right.
“waiting for someone … to isolate and identify covid”
This may help:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/grows-virus-cell-culture.html