Wrong about everything all of the time, so consistent, at least.
Britain is now a remain nation. We can halt this rush to Brexit
I appreciate that the Guardian is probably the most egregious, scandalous, lying shitbag of a media outlet that darkens our political discourse, but this is rich, even by their standards. Has this deranged woman forgotten the EU elections? You know, where the Brext Party won a thumping majority? Yes, that one.
The Tory party’s hardcore membership would head us off a cliff. We need to rebel against this democratic outrage
Says the paper that is desperately trying to overturn a democratic vote. The lack of self-awareness is staggering. The only democratic outrage here is that scumbags such as this and those lounging on the green benches have repeatedly thwarted that democratic vote for the past three years. But, this is the Guardian, always evil all of the time.
The frontrunner’s domestic squall on Thursday night has acted as a lightning-flash illumination of the democratic fraud unfolding before our eyes. Had this tiff happened on Love Island, at least every citizen would get to vote. If a despairing lethargy hung over the prime ministerial contest, this fracas has electrified the preposterous nature of the non-choice, and our total exclusion from it. Pinch yourself: is this really be happening in a democracy? This is now a remainer nation, held hostage by extreme no-dealers.
Either Toynbee is stupid or she is being deliberately disingenuous. Ours is a parliamentary democracy. We do not elect prime ministers. We never have. We send representatives to parliament and the largest party forms a government. That that party changes leader mid-term is perfectly fine and within the rules of the game. So, yeah, it’s happened before and it will again. So what? The party in power remains the same. For crying out loud, get over yourself you deranged, ignorant, anti-democratic old bat.
Remember, this has never happened before. It was bad enough when MPs chose the sitting prime minister – John Major, Theresa May, Gordon Brown – but for the first time the Tory party’s misbegotten 1998 rules see our fate fixed by the votes of a tiny self-selecting oligarchy.
No, it is the members of the party. Perfectly fine, just as it is when Labour do the same thing.
This novel experiment in non-democracy couldn’t come at a worse time…
It is not non-democracy. The party of government is exactly the same as it was before. The MP you sent to Westminster is still there, doing what you sent them to do (or not as the case may be). We do not and never have, elected prime ministers – that I find myself repeating this (and not just here) is becoming increasingly tiresome. Someone pointed out recently that while my theory was sound, that’s not how people see it. Well, if people are unwilling to educate themselves on how our system works, perhaps they should excuse themselves from participating in it. There is nothing undemocratic about a change of PM mid-term – unlike undermining the outcome of a democratic vote, where a majority voted the way you don’t like.
…with the ruling party seized by no-deal Brexit mania, forcing all candidates to abandon truth to woo the membership’s worst delusions. Only one, Sam Gyimah, represented anything approaching the British remain majority, but he couldn’t scrape eight nominations to get into the contest: that’s the nature of the Tory beast.
Sure, if by “mania” you mean that the Tory party rightly recognises that if it does not deliver the outcome of that vote, it is toast and rightly so.
A Survation poll for the Mail on Sunday found 54% for remain, 46% for leave. Did you miss that? That’s because the Brexit-backing paper omitted it from its report, but it’s on the Survation site. Also missing was Survation’s Westminster result: Labour in the lead on 26%, Tories 24%, Brexit party 20%, Liberal Democrats 18%. Add in 11% for the Greens, Scottish National party and Plaid Cymru combined, and in total remainers are well ahead of the leavers.
There is only one poll that matters: The ballot box. At the ballot box, Leave won. Get over it. As for the percentages of figures, she is making the same assumptions that other sore losers have made with this spurious argument – she is assuming that all of those who voted for the undemocratic parties all want to remain. You simply cannot make that assumption, but Toynbee is just dishonest enough to do so.
Yup, usual Guardian bullshit – wrong about everything all of the time and always evil all of the time.
Typical Polly Toynbee Guardian London Centric remainer shite. Its as if these twats never visit the rest of the country and see what real people are saying. In my town the Guardian is probably lucky to sell one copy a day and that will be to a teacher !
I think that it is interesting how trade deals between nations are being portrayed as being immensely difficult to set up. There are situations where two nations want different and mutually exclusive outcomes and difficult negotiations are inevitable. In the case of trade deals, businesses on both sides are eager to trade for mutual benefit. Often they are already doing so and are very keen to continue. Protectionism has a proven track record of failure so both sides would logically be keen to avoid it. It seems to me that the main problem is politicians who are keen to lock the gate and then charge people to pass through, or to pretend that something that is really easy is difficult in order to justify their salaries.
The rather glaring problem with Polly’s quoted poll is that I seem to recall all the polling was saying very similar percentages in favour of remain three years ago, and then the people actually voted…
Silly bitch. Unelected, appointee Gordon Brown signed off on the Lisbon Treaty without the consent of the people. Of course, it was democracy back then because the result suited Toynbee and her disgusting allies.
First class fisking, brilliant!