Others have picked up on this story, but it is far too important not to reiterate what they are saying. People need to be aware and they need to get mad, really mad. This insane proposal needs to be stopped in its tracks.
Instead of employers deducting income tax then paying gross salaries to employees, the gross monthly payment would go to an HMRC-run tax “calculator”, which would then pass the net salary to the worker.
The reform would mean the end of traditional monthly payslips, because employers would no longer be able to tell workers how much tax they had paid each month.
So… an organisation that has massively cocked up wants the power to seize our earnings and take an unspecified amount from them before letting us have the scraps. And those proposing it think this is in some way okay? These people have demonstrated serial incompetence. They should be given less power over us, not more. And, let us not forget, they work for us not the other way around. What we earn is ours not theirs.
Instead of a payslip detailing pay and deductions, workers would only find out how much income tax they had paid by asking HMRC.
No! No! No! NO! We should know precisely how much the state has sequestered without having to ask. They need to justify to us their greed and wastefulness.
As Timmy says, this attempt at nationalising our pay-packets goes even further than the Soviets.
All wages in the country will be paid to the government and then we get to have whatever it is that government thinks we should be allowed?
For fuck’s sake, not even the Soviets went that far.
And I cannot add to what he and Mr Eugenides have said. Fuck off. Fuck off and die.
Brian Stenhouse of Armstrong Watson, which runs payroll services for more than 2,000 companies, said people should have “deep concerns” about the central deductions plan.
Yeah, “deep concerns” was exactly what went through my mind, too.
He said: “Are people going to be happy to give HMRC their bank details and trust HMRC to make the right deductions and pass on their salary every month?”
No. Next?
Given they’re not going to have a complete monthly payslip any more, people are going to be in dark about what’s been deducted. And if there is an error, they’d be reliant on HMRC to correct it.
So the people who serially fucked up would get to fuck up even more without open scrutiny. That sounds like a recipe for success.
Again; fuck off! Fuck off and die you absolute arseholes.
By the pricking of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes.
The arrogance of these people is unbeleiveable. They’ve taken the final step to say “we dont actually care about you, you belong to us to do with as we please”.
How this can come to pass without a rebellion, I don’t know.
The very fact that this was seriously suggested in the first place is frightening to the extreme.
I might start by remunerating myself in dividends only from now on.
Unbelievable. Simply unbelievable…
Thieves.
Every fucking single one of them.
I had a pop too:
http://captainranty.blogspot.com/2010/09/hmrc-to-take-all-your-money.html
Is that a revolt I see up there in the distance?
About fucking time.
CR.
Hold on. They screw up so you guys get your entire wage packets paid to HMRC before you see a penny? Is that the proposal? That is just so far the other side of wrong it’s passed some kind of crazy taxation event horizon.
If true, the possibility of massive taxation fuck up without taxpayer redress just took a quantum leap. I just had an eerie shudder of prescience. I forsee people getting ‘negative’ wage packets, where an employee pays HMRC for permission to come to work. The incompetence is that endemic in the system. I’ve had dealings with these people; the system is so Byzantine and opaque the ordinary worker doesn’t stand a chance.
It’ll all end in tears.
I’m fucking speechless…
Now maybe those complacent libertarian bloggers who’ve been complaining that with Gordon and the labourites driven out, there’s nothing much to say will realise their error and start sticking the boot in these neo-tory wankers.
Just remind me, Trooper Thompson, which party is it that HMRC belong to? Oh yeah, that’s right, they’re not partisan. Obviously it would be foolish for any government to even entertain new ideas, let alone ask for ideas from people with experience in the relevant field. They should obviously just come up with unworkable ideas and then impose them on the civil servants to impose on us. Just like New Labour did.
This is just one idea. It clearly won’t happen but that doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t debate things, even if they are terrible for one reason or another.
Vladimir has a comment to make on that point. He could be right that this is a flag flying exercise to see who salutes.
NO!!! This idea is just plain old theft. Not acceptable. I will go back to working for myself or acting as a contractor via a limited company. I do not trust these bastards.
This bloke, save the prissy sarcasm. I’m not interested in debating something so patently wrong. The very fact that government ministers consider this worth consulting on says all you need to know about the tories. Meet the new boss etc.
He has a point, though. These totalitarian ideas often don’t come from politicians initially. Rather they come from a civil servant dripping poison in their ears – or a fake charity, of course. ID cards weren’t actually Blunkett’s idea at all. It was the wet dream of the civil servants at the home office.
This one has the hallmarks of the puffed up self-importance of the bureaucrats at the HMRC written all over it. So yeah, we should round on ministers who then announce these ideas, but never forget who the ultimate enemy is.
It’s hard to know who the ultimate enemy is, they’re usually so far behind the lines, so I just aim at the one running towards me with a bayonet. Besides, I thought Bloke was only taking umbrage because I was unkind to the tories, who are at least entertaining the idea.